Comments on: U.S. Energy Bill Phases Out Incandescent Light Bulb http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/ The Executive's Daily Green Briefing Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:58:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joshua http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-143203 Joshua Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:03:53 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-143203 I wish the federal government would stop micromanaging in our life’s and let us pick what light bulbs we want to use in our homes. I wish the federal government would stop micromanaging in our life’s and let us pick what light bulbs we want to use in our homes.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-129529 Darrell Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:32:13 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-129529 this might not be as good an idea as it first seems, since CFL's contain mercury and a large proportion of them will end up in landfull.... and then groundwater this might not be as good an idea as it first seems, since CFL’s contain mercury and a large proportion of them will end up in landfull…. and then groundwater

]]> By: Kevin http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-128804 Kevin Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:12:46 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-128804 University of Rochester developing a laser based process to increase incandescent light bulb efficiency by 67%. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090529121556.htm University of Rochester developing a laser based process to increase incandescent light bulb efficiency by 67%.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090529121556.htm

]]> By: Basspig http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-109173 Basspig Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:02:52 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-109173 It's ironic, that since I've phased out incandescent bulbs ten years ago, for all CFL bulbs, my electric bill has done nothing but go way UP. Electric companies, when faced with reduced demand, will RAISE energy rates. You won't save a penny. But your local landfill will be full of mercury-laiden CFL bulbs which don't even last as long as the incandescent bulbs. Mine keep burning out every six months or so. What a joke these bulbs are. It’s ironic, that since I’ve phased out incandescent bulbs ten years ago, for all CFL bulbs, my electric bill has done nothing but go way UP.
Electric companies, when faced with reduced demand, will RAISE energy rates. You won’t save a penny. But your local landfill will be full of mercury-laiden CFL bulbs which don’t even last as long as the incandescent bulbs. Mine keep burning out every six months or so. What a joke these bulbs are.

]]> By: J.C. http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-59322 J.C. Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:14:46 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-59322 WTF?! Does Al Gore know about the mercury in the bulbs?? All I can think of right now is him saying, "Just one bulb..." I am mostly concerned with the pollution to our land fills and fresh water sources! WTF?! Does Al Gore know about the mercury in the bulbs?? All I can think of right now is him saying, “Just one bulb…” I am mostly concerned with the pollution to our land fills and fresh water sources!

]]> By: Gavin Young http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-54226 Gavin Young Sat, 17 May 2008 01:46:15 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-54226 Though all of the electric energy consumed by any light bulb is ultimately converted into heat energy that is absorbed in its surrounding environment, the energy efficient bulbs use less energy to produce the same amount of visible light. For example a 25 watt CFL produces the same amount of visible light as a 100 watt incandescent bulb, but the CFL is only using 25 watts of electricity instead of 100 watts of electricity. It is thus ultimately producing one-fourth the amount of heat. While the heat from either bulb might be useful on cold days (and thus no energy savings on those days since the central heating systmem would be used more on those days than on warm days), there are energy savings on the hot days when air conditioning is used. As as result there are substantial savings in energy on those days when the home needs no or little heating from the central heating system. Some brands of CFLs now have a protective shell over the twisty fluorescent tube, thus reducing breakage. When screwing and unscrewing the twisty type of CFLs, one should do so at the base of the bulb rather than on the twisty glass, since the twisty shape of the glass is more fragile than the bulb shaped glass of the incandescent bulbs. Though all of the electric energy consumed by any light bulb is ultimately converted into heat energy that is absorbed in its surrounding environment, the energy efficient bulbs use less energy to produce the same amount of visible light. For example a 25 watt CFL produces the same amount of visible light as a 100 watt incandescent bulb, but the CFL is only using 25 watts of electricity instead of 100 watts of electricity. It is thus ultimately producing one-fourth the amount of heat. While the heat from either bulb might be useful on cold days (and thus no energy savings on those days since the central heating systmem would be used more on those days than on warm days), there are energy savings on the hot days when air conditioning is used. As as result there are substantial savings in energy on those days when the home needs no or little heating from the central heating system. Some brands of CFLs now have a protective shell over the twisty fluorescent tube, thus reducing breakage. When screwing and unscrewing the twisty type of CFLs, one should do so at the base of the bulb rather than on the twisty glass, since the twisty shape of the glass is more fragile than the bulb shaped glass of the incandescent bulbs.

]]> By: John Finlayson http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-32724 John Finlayson Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:55:13 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-32724 A bill in California proposed to ban incandescents last year, but was modified [1] when critics, citing the GE high-efficiency incandescent project (see link in Related Stories section above), pointed out how foolishly counterproductive it was to ban a specific technology rather than establish technology-neutral efficiency standards and let the market figure out the best way to meet them. Was no one in congress paying attention to what the California legislature learned from that experience? [1] http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/226737.html A bill in California proposed to ban incandescents last year, but was modified [1] when critics, citing the GE high-efficiency incandescent project (see link in Related Stories section above), pointed out how foolishly counterproductive it was to ban a specific technology rather than establish technology-neutral efficiency standards and let the market figure out the best way to meet them.

Was no one in congress paying attention to what the California legislature learned from that experience?

[1] http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/226737.html

]]> By: Mad as hell http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-28914 Mad as hell Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:34:00 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-28914 I totally agree with all these comments by others. In my small 1200 sq. ft. house I have a track fixture in my kitchen which uses incandescents and the standard bathroom fixtures with exposed incandescent bulbs along with a couple of special order lights that use exposed incandescent bulbs as part of the design of the fixture. So this means that not only will I have to buy all new fixtures (here comes the profit for Phillips etc) but I will have a few thousand dollar bill from my electrician to retrofit my whole house with this IDIOTIC idea passed by our IDIOTIC lawmakers. I hate the light put out by these CFL's and it should be my choice if I want to use them. Give us MORE energy, not less. This country is going backwards, not forwards. Yeah, lets follow the lead in the countries with dictators! I totally agree with all these comments by others. In my small 1200 sq. ft. house I have a track fixture in my kitchen which uses incandescents and the standard bathroom fixtures with exposed incandescent bulbs along with a couple of special order lights that use exposed incandescent bulbs as part of the design of the fixture. So this means that not only will I have to buy all new fixtures (here comes the profit for Phillips etc) but I will have a few thousand dollar bill from my electrician to retrofit my whole house with this IDIOTIC idea passed by our IDIOTIC lawmakers. I hate the light put out by these CFL’s and it should be my choice if I want to use them. Give us MORE energy, not less. This country is going backwards, not forwards. Yeah, lets follow the lead in the countries with dictators!

]]> By: jwgreen http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-28305 jwgreen Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:32:32 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-28305 The murcury in CFL's isn't only a problem if someone breaks a CFL by accident in their house. Regulating the disposal of these lamps will be a large problem. It may just be impossible to get everyone to pay to dispose of flourecent lamps as now is the common practice, and even if the fee is removed, many people will just toss the lamps in a dumpster or a trash can instead of taking the time to drive to the disposal center. The murcury is not the only drawback to CFL's to concider. Flourecent lamps can cause a wide range of medical problems ranging from depression to headaches to epilepsy. If congress wants to truly make a difference in the environment, encourage and subsidize efforts to develop incandecents which match the efficiency of CFL's. GE has already started on such a project. The murcury in CFL’s isn’t only a problem if someone breaks a CFL by accident in their house. Regulating the disposal of these lamps will be a large problem. It may just be impossible to get everyone to pay to dispose of flourecent lamps as now is the common practice, and even if the fee is removed, many people will just toss the lamps in a dumpster or a trash can instead of taking the time to drive to the disposal center. The murcury is not the only drawback to CFL’s to concider. Flourecent lamps can cause a wide range of medical problems ranging from depression to headaches to epilepsy. If congress wants to truly make a difference in the environment, encourage and subsidize efforts to develop incandecents which match the efficiency of CFL’s. GE has already started on such a project.

]]> By: Energygirl http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/comment-page-1/#comment-28269 Energygirl Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:44:12 +0000 http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007/12/18/us-energy-bill-phases-out-incandescent-light-bulb/#comment-28269 I'm doing everything I can to improve the energy efficiency of my home, but this provision of the energy bill troubles me. I have a variety of exposed bulbs in my house--flame-shaped in chandelier-type fixtures, round over bathroom medicine cabinets, and small round bulbs in ceiling fans. What kind of lights will I be able to use in these fixtures? CFLs don't, so far as I know, come in these speciality shapes. Plus, I have a number of ceiling fixtures on dimmer switches. So far, although CFLs now exist that work with dimmers, the resulting light leaves a great deal to be desired. Yet another problem: I use three-way bulbs in several table and floor lamps which, like the dimmers, allows me to adjust the light level according to need. We've already switched one of our three-way lamps over to a CFL, and now have a higher level of light when we would prefer a lower light level (we can't go to a lower wattage because we sometimes must have the higher light level). Then there are the lights where we have extremely low wattage bulbs--in one case, 10 watts and the other 15. Will we be forced to move up to 40 watt bulbs? Our porch light and our garage light are used in extremely cold temperatures in the winter--CFLs do not work well in the cold. Plus, the porch light is one of those very low wattage bulbs that I mentioned; the low light level is exactly what we need and want but will I still be able to buy low-wattage bulbs or will I be forced to purchase 40-watt bulbs? And, finally, what about the light fixtures that are switched on for just a few minutes at a time repeatedly during the course of the day? CFLs do not last as long as incadescents when used in this way, so replacing incadescents with CFLs is not going to save me, the homeowner, money; rather, it will cost me money, but any savings to the nation's energy use will be, at best, negligible. And, oh, yeah, I basically agree about the additional heat issue, although in the summer, of course, additional heat increases the need for air conditioning in warmer climates, so that seems to be something of a trade-off. I’m doing everything I can to improve the energy efficiency of my home, but this provision of the energy bill troubles me. I have a variety of exposed bulbs in my house–flame-shaped in chandelier-type fixtures, round over bathroom medicine cabinets, and small round bulbs in ceiling fans. What kind of lights will I be able to use in these fixtures? CFLs don’t, so far as I know, come in these speciality shapes. Plus, I have a number of ceiling fixtures on dimmer switches. So far, although CFLs now exist that work with dimmers, the resulting light leaves a great deal to be desired. Yet another problem: I use three-way bulbs in several table and floor lamps which, like the dimmers, allows me to adjust the light level according to need. We’ve already switched one of our three-way lamps over to a CFL, and now have a higher level of light when we would prefer a lower light level (we can’t go to a lower wattage because we sometimes must have the higher light level). Then there are the lights where we have extremely low wattage bulbs–in one case, 10 watts and the other 15. Will we be forced to move up to 40 watt bulbs? Our porch light and our garage light are used in extremely cold temperatures in the winter–CFLs do not work well in the cold. Plus, the porch light is one of those very low wattage bulbs that I mentioned; the low light level is exactly what we need and want but will I still be able to buy low-wattage bulbs or will I be forced to purchase 40-watt bulbs? And, finally, what about the light fixtures that are switched on for just a few minutes at a time repeatedly during the course of the day? CFLs do not last as long as incadescents when used in this way, so replacing incadescents with CFLs is not going to save me, the homeowner, money; rather, it will cost me money, but any savings to the nation’s energy use will be, at best, negligible. And, oh, yeah, I basically agree about the additional heat issue, although in the summer, of course, additional heat increases the need for air conditioning in warmer climates, so that seems to be something of a trade-off.

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