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	<title>Comments on: Albertsons Activates Solar Panels on Three Stores</title>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalleader.com/2010/06/30/albertsons-activates-solar-panels-on-three-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-208975</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I will not defend reporting styles or accuracies, I do not agree with some of the implications contained in the first comment.

First, one cannot compare up-front costs with ongoing savings in a simplistic statement about &#039;spending X to save Y&#039;.  Unlike X, the savings are ongoing, long into the indefinite future.  Even economic quantities like net present value or ROI do not fully capture that distinction.  In reality, one might spend X to save Y over Z years - and another Y+ in another Z years, and another Y+ after Z more years, and so on (the Y+ accounts for rising fossil-fuel-based energy costs).  And at some later date, one will have to spend another quantity to replace the original equipment, probably at some cost much less than the original X.

And the action provides more than just &quot;a warm fuzzy feeling&quot;.  It is precisely actions like this that will, when added together all across the nation and the world, eventually form our summed response to climate change (together with governmental actions).  That warm fuzzy feeling is actually a critically important component of the summed response.  AGW is a distributed problem - and only a distributed solution can hope to address it.  Albertsons is taking one very tiny baby step along that distributed solution pathway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I will not defend reporting styles or accuracies, I do not agree with some of the implications contained in the first comment.</p>
<p>First, one cannot compare up-front costs with ongoing savings in a simplistic statement about &#8216;spending X to save Y&#8217;.  Unlike X, the savings are ongoing, long into the indefinite future.  Even economic quantities like net present value or ROI do not fully capture that distinction.  In reality, one might spend X to save Y over Z years &#8211; and another Y+ in another Z years, and another Y+ after Z more years, and so on (the Y+ accounts for rising fossil-fuel-based energy costs).  And at some later date, one will have to spend another quantity to replace the original equipment, probably at some cost much less than the original X.</p>
<p>And the action provides more than just &#8220;a warm fuzzy feeling&#8221;.  It is precisely actions like this that will, when added together all across the nation and the world, eventually form our summed response to climate change (together with governmental actions).  That warm fuzzy feeling is actually a critically important component of the summed response.  AGW is a distributed problem &#8211; and only a distributed solution can hope to address it.  Albertsons is taking one very tiny baby step along that distributed solution pathway.</p>
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		<title>By: California Solar Engineering</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalleader.com/2010/06/30/albertsons-activates-solar-panels-on-three-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-208962</link>
		<dc:creator>California Solar Engineering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful! Its time for businesses to own up to the reality of climate change in a way that saves them so much money, I&#039;ll always shop at ALbertsons now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful! Its time for businesses to own up to the reality of climate change in a way that saves them so much money, I&#8217;ll always shop at ALbertsons now.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.environmentalleader.com/2010/06/30/albertsons-activates-solar-panels-on-three-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-208922</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must everyone inflate their numbers by calculating the amount over 20 years and 12 million kilowatts.  The savings is 600,000 Kw/year.  This store, depending on the effeciency of the equipment, uses about 3-3-1/2 million Kilowatts per year.  Tell me more about the story.  How much did it cost Albertsons to install something that will reduce its energy bill roughly 20%?  How long is the return on the investment?  There is so much fuzzy data on the market today making it difficult to make a wise financial decision on the feasability of solar energy.  What&#039;s the point of spending a dollar to save 50 cents just to have a warm fuzzy feeling.  I would love to hear the whole story rather than numbers multiplied by 20 to impact the headline.   You guys are in the grocery business.  Why not make an apples to apples comparison.   The savings will not take one car off the road.  The savings will power 1100 homes for a year.  Leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must everyone inflate their numbers by calculating the amount over 20 years and 12 million kilowatts.  The savings is 600,000 Kw/year.  This store, depending on the effeciency of the equipment, uses about 3-3-1/2 million Kilowatts per year.  Tell me more about the story.  How much did it cost Albertsons to install something that will reduce its energy bill roughly 20%?  How long is the return on the investment?  There is so much fuzzy data on the market today making it difficult to make a wise financial decision on the feasability of solar energy.  What&#8217;s the point of spending a dollar to save 50 cents just to have a warm fuzzy feeling.  I would love to hear the whole story rather than numbers multiplied by 20 to impact the headline.   You guys are in the grocery business.  Why not make an apples to apples comparison.   The savings will not take one car off the road.  The savings will power 1100 homes for a year.  Leave it at that.</p>
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